The Problem with Geekery (by a Geek)

I know this post is a bit unusual and controversial and I might get a lot of, er, interesting comments, based on what kind of followers and readers I have. But there’s a problem Geekery has that we geeks are aware of, but don’t want to even admit or think about. It’s the white elephant in the room, and this white elephant is taking up a lot of space in Geekdom.Problem with Geekery - Tea with Tumnus

The problem is immersion.

It might help if I define it based on the context here; Perhaps I do not think it means what you think it means.

Immersion is deep mental involvement. In this case, we are applying immersion to media; it is a strategy used by many manufactorers, advertisors, and producers to suck readers or viewers in. There are two different problems with immersion in geekery: 1) Immersion with mass marketing and money making, and 2) Immersion in media that can pose the danger of taking over the lives of those who are sucked in.

I’m kind of a big geek (nerd, fangirl, etc.). But I haven’t lived long enough to watch all the movies and shows I want to see or read all the books, manga, and comics that I want to read… (nor will I live long enough to accomplish it). I’ve only begun touching on what it means to obsess over fictional characters and live in nonexistent worlds and cry over, laugh about, and feel awed by all the wonder and joy and sorrow and revelation that never even happened. This aspect of the media is so rich and wonderful and full of so much raw potential and I’m glad we have the privilege to experience human creativity and brilliant ideas outside of our scope of knowledge about our wonderful Earth. And so of course I’m a geek. I blog about it. I talk about it. I read about it. I write about it. I attend conventions about it. I cry and flail and scream about it (not actual screaming, but you know. Inwardly). I collaborate on a geek news site. I write stuff that is geek material.

And so I guess it takes being a geek to realize that geekery has this very big problem.

What do you think? Is immersion dangerous? Unhealthy? Psycho?

The English 100 class I’m taking has helped me open my eyes to this issue. The textbook we’re reading is called Reading Pop Culture, a very enlightening collection of essays with varying perspectives, full of topics on propaganda, advertisements, the problem of YouTube and iPods, and how violence is good for kids. (I would have never considered that violence was healthy for kids until I read the article and thought hmm, interesting point.) Another source we had to read for an essay was the latest Rolling Stone magazine, which, you might guess, is not my favorite magazine to read (though there are some very informative articles in there). Immersion is written all over it; it’s the only way they’re going to get money after all. “Read me! See me! Turn this page! Think this! Think that! Trump is awful, and here’s why! You know you want this! Buy it now! This guy’s legit, so believe everything he says!” And so I wrote an essay on capitalism, how it’s being “oversold” by consumerism, and applied immersion into the mix. While doing my research and reading and listening to lectures, my fears that there was a particular problem with our society and culture were confirmed. I also learned that this particular problem applies to geekery. Nerdom. Obsessive fangirling.

Yes, I am telling myself that I have a problem. I think we all do. And this post isn’t trying to demonize geekery at all. I will stay a proud nerd and do nerdy things and enjoy epic movies and books as long as I live (because geekery clearly has its awesome traits, and I can talk about those in a slightly less controversial blog post in the future). But this problem stands out to me, and I think that all geeks should be aware of it, without straying from their lovely geeky selves.

Geekery is just the nerdy side of consumerist culture. Take Netflix binging. Or book and movie series. TV series. Comic Cons. Merchandise. Theaters. Marketing. News. Hype. Money. Do you see where I’m going with this? How strange is it that falling in love with a character or story leads to this mass marketing and money making? People see that something was successful (the first Harry Potter book) and so they make it even more successful (the Harry Potter movies) and it becomes a franchise, booming with money (merchandise, Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, Harry Potter World at Universal Studios, conventions). I almost want to use the word “corruption” when I say that a story is being used to create profit. Just to get the crowds in and fabricate synthetic fans. To make it so popular that being a genuine Harry Potter geek loses its significance; the whole world loves and knows everything about it already and so there’s nothing too special about being a fan anymore.

The same applies to Star Wars. Sometimes it makes my day to see Star Wars stuff literally everywhere I go, but therein lies the problem. My precious little fandom isn’t so little anymore. Star Wars fans used to be a moderately mild sized group, but now it’s bigger than the democratic party. I’m talking worldwide! Marketing has taken a precious story, a work of art and creativity from one man’s mind and made it become a rage, a fad, something you can buy. They’ve cultivated shopaholism out of this genius simply because George Lucas’s sci-fi flick turned out to be amazing and was accepted well by the majority of moviegoers—people who actually appreciated the story for what it was. Don’t get me wrong; I love how the Star Wars fanbase is growing. But the way that manufacterors are ensuring a large fanbase is slightly sickening.

And I will also mention that people are writing new movies and books to tear the canon apart, to CHANGE the original story simply to keep the marketing going. It’s all about fortune and glory, kid. NO! Something tells me this can’t be morally right. The story of Star Wars is sacred. Each one of us fans has seen the movies, and yet each one of us experienced Star Wars in our own unique, different ways. It’s special to me for completely different reasons than how it’s special for you. Have you ever heard the little sparkling magical instrument that plays during one of the Star Wars film’s main title??? That moment in the song means pure joy to me. No one knows how I interpreted a certain scene, a piece of dialog, a crescendo in the score or a certain tune. Nor do they understand the way John Williams has changed my life with his music or how George Lucas helped shape who I am as a writer and lover of science fiction. The list goes on. I don’t know how to put those feelings or emotions into words. Nostalgia is a heavenly feeling that no one can describe. (If you know of someone who does, let me know right now in the comments section down there, if you’ll be so kind.) And now this little thing called Star Wars that has changed the lives and touched the hearts and awed the spirits of so many people is now just another reason to get money. What happened to the vision that Walt Disney had? Sure, it’s for your entertainment, at least. But now it’s all about profit and manufactoring and trying to get bigger and better.

(Would you like to know the probability of me bursting into hot, angry tears at the screen right now? It’s high. It’s very high.)


That was immersion applied to marketing and consumerism. It’s everywhere, not just in advertising and marketing. It’s pulling so many people in, and the sad thing is that most of us are unaware of it.

But there’s the second type of immersion that is another big problem facing many geeks today: the media itself is using the same immersion tactics to pull fans in. Sure, they do it for the money, but we geeks don’t immerse ourselves into these stories with any thoughts on money. We’re being pulled into the suspense of things that never happened and it can take over our life worlds. Rather than spending time learning an instrument or taking a walk, or talking with someone or spending time with your family and building relationships or finishing writing or homework, you’ve decided to become even more Procrastination Central (even without Pinterest!) with movies and books and TV shows. They pull you away from your real life, make you forget all about your problems, numb you to actual situations, and immerse you into this synthetic universe of nonexistent characters and problems and suspense. You have to worry and gasp and cry over things that never even happened, generating artificial stress. And yet it sounds lovely and I could do it all day. Normal people say things like “Isn’t your own life stressful enough?” And they actually have a good point.

If we don’t watch out, we geeks may be sucked in … forever.

Nah, we know better. We’re adults, we’re responsible. (Says the person who barely knows how to adult in the first place.)

So what do we do with this whole immersion thing? My solution is to just keep doing what you’re doing. You there, dude in the sweatpants and BB-8 slippers with movie posters cluttering your walls: You’re awesome. You, fangirl who obsesses over Marvel because it’s helped to break those gender barriers she was afraid of, enabling her to endorse her true love of superheros: Keep being you. And all you people who work out and yet somehow can still watch a movie while bobbing up and down on a treadmill without getting sick: How do you even do that, that’s amazing!!! And yet, be mindful. Be wary of the dangers that lurk within. Don’t let temptation take you by the hand and lead you down the dark path of endless miles of episodes in an unusually long TV season. Give yourself limitations. Yes, be a geek. The world needs you. Love your stories, talk about them with people, attend the conventions and theater opening nights. Wear that epic Batman hoodie. Preach about why the world needs superheros. Never give up; never surrender. But don’t forget who you REALLY are. Remember your life. Your other passions. Your family and friends who, even though they might not understand your nerdy hobbies and and obsessions, love you anyways because all these unique things, along with the geekiness, make up who YOU are. And I think that’s pretty cool.

We can’t escape immersion. But there is a way to immerse in our favorite stories without losing ourselves to them. After all, that’s what stories are for, right? Good stories should encourage and inspire, not just to entertain; they should help us to understand  and even appreciate life, not to forget it.

What about you? I feel that this was a very challenging post to write and it was probably quite the post to read, eh? So, tell me, what are your thoughts? Give me your agreements and disagreements. I feel like this topic might generate some conversation, so bring it on!

“Those were the stories that stayed with you, that meant something.

Even if you were too small to understand why.

But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now.

Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn’t.

They kept on going

Because they were holding on to something.

There’s some good in this world

And it’s worth fighting for.”

-Sam Gamgee from Lord of the Rings

Keep being a geek. It’s a powerful thing, burdened with glorious purpose.

24 Comments Add yours

  1. Reigha Sunshine says:

    Super interesting thought! You articulated some of my thoughts much better than I ever have. Totally agree! 😀 Love the imaginary, but live the reality. Even when reality stinks, at least there we can make a difference and change things, even if we can only change the way we act and think! Nice Job!


    1. Thanks so much!! I like the way you put it too. “Love the imaginary but live the reality.” Though sometimes I falsly believe watching movies all day will help solve all my problems. 😀


  2. Maggie says:

    Great post! Personally, I’ve found that getting really immersed in something, whether it be a book, TV show, or video game, that often helps me relax (especially video games, since that gives me something I can control when things get overwhelming). However, I’ve also learned that spending too much time in those worlds leads me to forget important things, like schoolwork, laundry, and sleeping (adulting is hard). To me, it’s all about balance – it’s okay to spend some time in the world of fiction, but ultimately, you have to come back to reality and take care of what’s really important.

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    1. I agree. It’s good to remember to do everything in moderation. It’s true, immersing myself into a book or movie is relaxing, but it’s great procrastination material. 😀 Balance is so tricky! Thanks for reading, Maggie!

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  3. Yes. Good stuff, everything is permissible but not beneficial. One should not be mastered by anything. 😉

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    1. Yes, I like the way you put it. 😀 Thanks for reading!


  4. Azelyn Klein says:

    Thanks for another great post! I am definitely guilty of getting overly immersed in fiction. But then I think of Gandalf’s words to Bilbo in The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, “The world’s not in your books and maps. It’s out there.” Sometimes we all need that reminder.


    1. Thanks, Azelyn! That’s yet the second Gandalf quote I’ve come across that I wish I could have put in the post. 😀 😀 Such a good reminder from the great wizard, and proof that not all fiction is immersive for the wrong reasons!


  5. Deborah says:

    Awesome post! I really like how you mentioned that marketing can usually ruin the feel of an original epic story, as well as sticking with reality as well as imaginary. Great job! 🙂


    1. Thanks! I’m glad you feel the same with marketing and original stories. It’s a tricky topic!


  6. daleydowning says:

    Great excuse to use the best Samwise quote. 😉

    There are a lot of things that stick out to me about this post. First, and I think most important, is the necessary points to make about the difference between immersion as a marketing tactic, and the idea that immersion itself is bad.

    I totally understand (and mostly agree with) what you’re saying about not losing yourself to any one thing. Everything in moderation. But I really think there’s a vital distinction to be made about getting immersed just for the sake of immersion, and becoming immersed in something in a healthy way.

    (Maybe I just see the difference so easily because I’m on the spectrum, and we have a natural tendency to obsess. But we do it to learn about something, or master something. Which isn’t automatically bad.)

    I also wouldn’t say that *just* over-marketing a popular thing to make money is “corrupting” the book/movie etc. My perspective is that it crosses the line when it ruins the integrity of the original story. You hit the nail on the head with what Disney is about to do to the Star Wars time/plotline. (And I am not even a SW fan. But if I was, I would be upset by the principle of it. too.)

    And I have to disagree with needing to get out in the real world more – but again, that’s most likely because I’m autistic, and I don’t like the real world, and the real world doesn’t like me. I would always happily open my wardrobe to another place, or go live among the hobbits.


    1. I think you have very good points. It’s true that I immerse myself into favorite media for a reason, and not just so that I forget all about reality. But there have been times when I want to take my mind off real life things and just watch a movie (unhealthy immersion) but then I feel better afterwards and feel like I can encounter life issues again — so did that immersion help me? Not quite sure where to draw the line there!

      I’m not autistic (though I find autism fascinating and would like to study it sometime) but I see what you’re saying when you don’t like the real world/the real world doesn’t like you. I feel that way a lot myself and even during times where I’m happy with life on this planet I still want to, as you said, live in Middle Earth or visit Narnia, and all those wonderful places in my fandoms. (But not Panem.) Though I still think it’s best to not lose myself to that fantasy when I’ve been called to a life among people and situations on Earth. 😀

      Thanks so much for the thoughtful comment!

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      1. daleydowning says:

        For me personally, drawing the line needs to happen when I’m totally ignoring something really important (like eating or sleeping) in favor of immersion. It’s easier for me to get onto a track of something totally irrelevant to that moment (example – how many bricks did it take to build Edinburgh Castle, when I really need to have breakfast, it’s 10 a.m. already).

        Sometimes, though, we all need to immerse and not over-think our problems, or things like wars and very sad but valid problems. Especially when it’s not our issue (I mean, yes, know about these things and pray and don’t act like it isn’t happening – but unless you’re a soldier/doctor/diplomat, then there isn’t much you *can* do).

        Honestly, I have an ongoing debate with God about whether my calling has to be on Earth, or whether I can complete it in another dimension.

        The only thing I’d caution you about being interested in autism is that it’s one of the few conditions that’s truly a who and not a what… I can only speak for myself, but I know I’m not a what, not just a set of symptoms, and am much more than what the medical world considers my condition…

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      2. Agreed! I love that you believe that your calling could be in another dimension. I mean, we have space travel, but that has its limitations. Wonder when we’ll discover actual time travel?
        So autism is unique for each person, right? I guess it’s just a term science slapped on the overly brilliant people, lol. They like to give mental conditions labels to feel like they know what they’re talking about. At least, that’s the impression I got. Psychology in general is a favorite study of mine, and autism is just an aspect of that interest.


      3. daleydowning says:

        Autism is definitely not as easy to define and categorize as, say, diabetes or claustrophobia. I wouldn’t say it’s totally different for everyone – since most of us share a lot of the same or similar “symptoms” – but it does indeed vary from person to person. For example, my son and I are around the same area of the spectrum, but not all our triggers for overstimulation line up, and when it comes to textures, I’m a lot more tolerant of certain things than he is.

        I think psychology doesn’t really cover it – partly because it’s not just a neurological condition, but also very physical. And the world still has a long way to go to realize the first step in truly understanding something that’s different than what they’re used to is to *accept* it.

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  7. Liam Jackson says:

    When you realize that you got immersed in the article… Zyll employs same capitalist tactics confirmed?

    One point that you didn’t touch on (probably because you’re not as much into this side of geekery) is video games. I’m sure somebody else has mentioned this to you, but video games are perhaps the most immersive media material I have experienced. This is likely because you feel like you’re controlling everything, regardless of whether or not you are. This makes it incredibly easy to spend days of time in a single game. I know there is one game I am guilty of spending over a thousand hours in. Forget drugs, don’t do games, kids.

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    1. Lol! I don’t use immersion tactics, I promise. Not quite sure yet where Zyll stands in politics, but I think she’d agree with me. 😀
      I’ve realized that video games are terribly immersive material just by watching people! Of course I’m not a video game player, but I’ve never considered that it might seem like you’re in control of a whole world and I agree that that might be the case for getting so immersed.


  8. Natalie says:

    “Good stories should encourage and inspire, not just to entertain; they should help us to understand and even appreciate life, not to forget it.”

    Love that! I constantly need to be reminded of this, and your post definitely reminded me. 🙂


    1. Aw, thank you Natalie! I, too, felt convicted myself just writing this post. 😀 Glad you enjoyed it!


  9. writefury says:

    -insert standing ovation gif-
    Seriously. Awesome job writing this. Really on point with some stuff my family’s been discussing lately.
    Great job. -all the thumbs up-


    1. *bows* Why thank you!! 😀

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  10. This is actually something I’ve been thinking about quite a bit lately–most especially with the Supernatural fandom, since that’s the one I’m most immersed in at the moment.

    It’s odd, but I kinda think that losing yourself to a story almost strengthens your identity, more than it pulls it away–you come to the story, find yourself lost in something so much bigger than yourself, and it forces questions on you–what would you do, in this situation? Who would you be, when all was over?

    And, without fandoms and immersion, I would come to the story, form my opinions, and walk away again. But fandom has a way of pulling you back–look at this again, it says. Look closer, ask yourself again. And it seems like the second (and third and fourth) answer is always a little more honest than the first, and gives you a better (occasionally less favorable) picture of who you are.

    But I dunno. I like the fandom way of enjoying a story, but there’s definitely as much bad in it as good, and it’s definitely a good thing to think about.

    (In reference to the consumerism bit, have you ever read/heard Bill Watterson’s anti-syndication speeches? It’s been a long time since I’ve read them, but I remember getting chills down my spine at his defense of art in the face of a consumer’s world, and this reminded me a bit of that) 🙂


    1. I love what you’re saying!! I’ve never thought about immersing in fandoms that way, but it makes a lot of sense. That’s definitely one of the beautiful characteristics of immersion in geek culture beside the unhealthy side of immersion, but I feel like both perspectives are true in different circumstances. Because these stories usually are so big and powerful and have beautiful themes and messages that make the audience think, not just in general, but also learn about themselves. That’s definitely one of the things I love about Geekery. 😀
      And no, I’ve never heard of Bill Watterson’s speeches! I’ve actually never heard the term “anti-syndication” until now, but I’m going to go look them up right now. Sounds awesome!!!
      Thanks for the thoughtful comment!

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      1. Ahh thanks!! I kinda just came up with the term, sorry (there was a lot of push to get Calvin and Hobbes syndicated, allowing for merchandise featuring the characters, but Watterson thought it would ruin the point and purity of his work. He spoke super strongly about it, and I’ve always really admired him for that).
        Thanks for writing such an epic post about this! I’m going to be mulling it over for weeks now, I can tell XD

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